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[quote="Jürgen T."]Hello, i guess this happens, when you didn't save the data before typing in the double person.[/quote]
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<script type="text/javascript"> // <![CDATA[ if (navigator.appName.indexOf("Explorer") == -1) {document.body.style.overflow = 'hidden'; document.body.style.overflow = '';} // ]]> </script> <table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th width="22%">Author</th> <th>Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Fridolin</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 20.02.2017, 15:17 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">I still wonder why it is only us to talk. A lot of people are passing by and have a look what we are discussing. And in my view it's a quite essential step in generating a new person. It would be great if Yves and others leave a note about their view: In the end, is it a problem or not? <br /> <br /></span> <div align="center"> <div class="quotetitle"><nobr>« Fridolin » wrote:</nobr></div> <div class="quotediv"> I can't see it as a feature instead of a bug. </div> </div><span class="postbody"> <br />I cite myself and would like to adjust that statement: A 'bug' is too hard. I <span style="text-decoration:underline">can</span> see it as a feature, but at the same time am rolling eyes and just remember how much I was puzzled in the beginning > and so prefer not to get it that way (with that text). It's either you are asked at that moment if you want to make sure you aren't entering a double or you discover it yourself afterwards (although there really is nobody logically fitting) and then manually merge persons. You can see it as a matter of taste. In that view, I expressed what flavour I prefer. <br /> <br />What I would like to ask Yves: Have you ever found a double in the full persons list when the proposal list was empty? We'll await your answer. And now I bite my lip. <br /> <br />Fridolin</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Marcus</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 20.02.2017, 13:16 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">I would like to wait for an answer from Yves, since he had a problem with this function (which may be "deeper"). And above all, that's the reason we're talking english here. <br />Marcus</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Fridolin</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 19.02.2017, 18:57 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Thanks for your answer, Marcus!<br /><br />I will switch to the sample file "Beispiel.ahn", too. I followed your way, and it is a good example for what we are talking about - as far as I have understood. It is - at least - an unexpected behavior to have to chose out of a list of 0 persons. Of course, it could be possible that there indeed is a person you want to identify with the new one which only wasn't automatically found. But the grandfather can not be the child itself. <br /><br />In that case, at least another prompt could help beginners to understand what happens: I am asked to check personally if one of the proposed or one of the other existing entries is identic with the person to be generated. Proposal: Instead of "Selected person| To select..." and similar expressions in the other languages we should read "Check existing persons|Is one of the existing persons identic to ...?"<br /><br />But again, I would tend to treat it as an error: 1) If I generate a child called 'Priska' (f), it's clear, that there is no such person in the database; 2) If I want to generate a new person as a child which already exists but is only hidden because of no relation to the familie, I get a proposal of the person: great; 3) But why does the software understand that the existing "Robert" needn't be proposed because he can't be the grandpa of himself (seems that there is a corresponding check) but offers the select-a-person-prompt anyway? If you don't want to call it an error, I call it an unappropriate behavior. I can't see it as a feature instead of a bug.<br /><br />In the logic of the software, are there doubted cases where an empty list is prompted although there may be a person matching? If not, it shouldn't be much work to simply leave those empty lists out.<br /><br />I don't care much about it, but maybe it could be eliminated in the next big version 3.0 that people are talking about from time to time. To me, it's not a hypothetic case but something that appears every now and then, so it can be annoying in the long run - depending on the 'name policy' that guided the family branch you are working on at the moment.<br /><br />EDIT: If you, Marcus, agree, I would forward a note to Dirk B. with a text proposal for EN, DE and FR for the next AB version - as a first step. That's what I can do.<br /><br />Fridolin</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Marcus</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 19.02.2017, 17:46 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">I'm still not convinced that here is an error at all.<br /><br />Maybe the function is just misunderstood?<br /><br /></span> <div align="center"> <div class="quotetitle"><nobr>« FZiegler » wrote:</nobr></div> <div class="quotediv"> But I've got an idea in which cases those empty 'select-a-person'-windows pop up: I've had the case for several times where I wanted to generate a new child or sibling that had the <span style="font-weight:bold">same name</span> (or the same beginning of the first name) <span style="font-weight:bold">as its father</span> - in those cases I got the empty selector window. I think the software found a person with a matching name and wanted to propose it - but then was restrained by finding out that it was already a related person. Maybe this suspicion is right. </div> </div><span class="postbody"><br /><br />In the example file of Ahnenblatt (Beispiel.ahn):<br />If I select "Beckmann, Josef Arthur Wilhelm" and go to his wife "Regina". There I want to add a new child (with the name "Robert"). After typing "Robert" and selecting "male" I get an empty field of persons, because nobody in my family can match this person. The only available "Robert Beckmann" is the father of Reginas husband and can not be the son of both of them.<br /><br />If I want to add a Robert as her 2nd husband, I get a not empty list after typing "Beckmann" and "Robert", since the father of Josef could very well be the 2nd husband of Regina.<br /><br />Is there a combination in your family where you don't get any proposals but would expect one (or even more?). If so, could you create such a situation in the example file too?<br />Marcus</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Fridolin</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 17.02.2017, 21:35 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Hello Yves, <br /> <br />unfortunately, my last post was wrong in one point: There is no possibility to insert a search term into the "all persons" list. So you really have to scroll through the list to find out, whether there is the right person already in the database or not. What a pity - because in other contexts, the same window pops up with the possibility to put a search string in. <br /> <br />But I've got an idea in which cases those empty 'select-a-person'-windows pop up: I've had the case for several times where I wanted to generate a new child or sibling that had the <span style="font-weight:bold">same name</span> (or the same beginning of the first name) <span style="font-weight:bold">as its father</span> - in those cases I got the empty selector window. I think the software found a person with a matching name and wanted to propose it - but then was restrained by finding out that it was already a related person. Maybe this suspicion is right. <br /> <br />@Marcus: Could we please have an error number for that? <br /> <br />Fridolin</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Fridolin</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 15.02.2017, 11:11 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Hello Yves, <br /> <br />I can confirm a similar 'problem', which still appears: When I want to set a new person, I get a blank list of people where I'm asked to select the right person from. This doesn't make much sense. I don't remember whether it's always or only sometimes - or the cases when it happens. <br /> <br />Indeed, I haven't exactly understood your situation when it happens. Your wrote: ' If a double appears, the proposed list of double does not appear'. As far as I know, I mostly haven't a double matching already in the stored data. It only looks like I should have (in the opinion of the software). I just want to insert a new person (I don't remember whether it happens while setting a new person directly from the navigator or from another person's window). <br /> <br />In fact, I got used to the prompt and don't care much about it any more - usually I know the person is new and not yet part of the database. If you're not sure: When you switch to "All persons", I think you can <span style="font-weight:bold">type in the beginning of the name</span> or even nane and first name (EDIT: no, you can't - see below), so you can look quickly if the person is already there or not. You don't have to scroll through the whole list. <br /> <br />But you're right: It would be nice if the automatism didn't fail all the time. So: ...waiting for a better description of the problem, so that Dirk B. can find the point of error. Now knowing you've still the same problem, I will try to document the case when the problem appears. Will take a few weeks. (in the navigator, in the ) <br /> <br />The question from Marcus was: Does this happen in the sample database, too? Up to now, I haven't tried. <br /> <br />With kind greetings to France, <br /> <br />Fridolin</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Yves AUBERT</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 15.02.2017, 09:30 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Hello FZiegler, <br />I always have the same problem. By taking all the people I have the complete list of my base. <br />Yes it works but it is longer to look for if the person exists or not... <br /> <br />Thanks <br /> <br />Yves</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Fridolin</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 09.01.2017, 02:03 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Salut Yves,<br /><br />j'ai rarement eu ce problème; mais plus depuis des mois. Ca a allé pour toi aussi maintenant?<br /><br />If this happens, you still have the possibility to look after the person manually in the "all persons"/"toutes personnes" overview tab. I don't have an idea, either, where this comes from - but alas, it passed by for me.<br /><br />EDIT: I've had a similar problem while entering a new person - say, as a child of somebody: After entering name and sex, I get a blank selection window asking which of the (0) persons to choose or to generate a new person. So maybe: No, it hasn't passed away - I still have the "problem", too. But in fact it's a question of comfort or style, isn't it? Everything works anyway.<br /><br />FZiegler</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Marcus</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 31.12.2016, 03:55 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Hello Yves, <br /> <br />is this problem still there with the new version 2.96? <br />Marcus</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Yves AUBERT</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 22.08.2016, 12:54 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Hello, <br />I install the zip version and it the same problem, Sometimes the proposals appear but it is random. <br />I try to save before the research but it is the same... (Jürgen T' proposal) <br />Yves</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Jürgen T.</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 20.08.2016, 09:12 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Hello, <br /> <br />i guess this happens, when you didn't save the data before typing in the double person.</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Marcus</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 20.08.2016, 06:00 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Did you try to unsinstall, download the new version again and reinstall? If that doesn't help, can you test it with the zip-Version (just unpack it in a folder in your download-folder) on the same computer? <br />Remember to delete the zip-Version, to not get confused later with which programm you're working. <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="wink" border="0" /> <br />We have to detect, if it is dependent on your Ahnenblatt, your files or your Operating system/environment. <br />Marcus</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Yves AUBERT</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row1" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 19.08.2016, 21:02 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">I install Ahnenblatt with setup file (full version) <br />Yves</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name="" id=""></a>Marcus</span> <br /> <img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="150" height="1" /></td> <td class="row2" valign="top"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td><img src="templates/cback/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" class="imgspace" alt="Post" title="Post" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: 19.08.2016, 17:41 Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="postbody">Do you use the "zip-Version" or do you install Ahnenblatt with the setup-file? <br />Marcus</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spacerow"><img src="images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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